More F1 Changes.

[mark1319]

Even more changes to F1 although nothing is in stone until January at the earliest.
LINK (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/9307861.stm)

So they reduced the overall surface area of the tyre to try and slow them down, they then reduced the engine size and in return the teams went down the aero route. So by the look of it they are now reducing the aero packages to try and slow them down again with a little give by allowing shaped floors. Tyres ar remaing ''Large & chunky'' though which is good, but the average time on full throttle is going to be reduced from 70% to 50% per lap.

Nothing to be implimented until 2013 though, but it begs the question, if the FIA wont to reduce costs then why are they bringing in all of these massive changes?

[DasArab]

I dont know what the answer is tbh. I dont know if a single make engine and aero package with team only allowed to mess with suspension and tyres leaving it mainly down to driver talent but then you have many teams may withdraw because of that. Engines have become far more reliable so thats not so much an issue anymore. Handicap system based on the tried and tested extra ballast to make racing closer, dunno?

Thoughts yourself mark1319?

[lee gsi]

Its the future of our cars.

If they can make big power but not at full throttle then it will be more economical and then filter down to us.

[rushy]

It all stems back to senna's death. They keep trying to slow the cars down in corners, but the teams just find ways to go faster, reducing mechanical grip only made them push harder in Aero grip. That failed so they gave them back the mechanical grip (slicks) and took aero (smaller wings). TBH the last two big reg changes have brought us the best two seasons in years. F1 is a business after all, so I think they just keep shaking it up to keep it exiting.

[DasArab]

In fairness the only talking points of last season I remember were Schumacher trying to wipe out Barrichello, Vettel taking himself out while over taking Webber and Ferrari breaking the rules(again) to which the cowards at the FIA failed to do anything about other than change the rules rather than having the bottle to throw the book at Ferrari.

[mark1319]

Thoughts yourself mark1319?
I suppose it's good to see what the teams can do whaen there is a regulation change of this scale, but there seams to be a lot of contradictions in the FIA's madness that's all. Still it's sure to make a tense start to the season I suppose.

TBH the last two big reg changes have brought us the best two seasons in years. F1 is a business after all, so I think they just keep shaking it up to keep it exiting.
That's how I see it mate. It's aimed at bringing a team to the front like it did with Red Bull in 09 and really shaking up the big names and maybe not so much at cutting costs, although that's MO.

[farley2708]

In fairness the only talking points of last season I remember were Schumacher trying to wipe out Barrichello, Vettel taking himself out while over taking Webber and Ferrari breaking the rules(again) to which the cowards at the FIA failed to do anything about other than change the rules rather than having the bottle to throw the book at Ferrari.


as for ferrari breaking the rules,they didnt,for 27 laps of the austrailian grand prix alonso was told wheather he or massa was faster on the previous lap(as he was stuck behind him) the same happend in germany,only difference being the tv only played 1 message,massa asked to be informed of the progress of alonso every lap,if you go onto the FIA website you can read the full documentation of all the conversations that took place between massa-pits & alonso-pits.............no mention at all of being told to move over

[rushy]

That's how I see it mate. It's aimed at bringing a team to the front like it did with Red Bull in 09 and really shaking up the big names and maybe not so much at cutting costs, although that's MO.

Red bull for sure, but the big one has to be Brawn the season before.


as for ferrari breaking the rules,they didnt,for 27 laps of the austrailian grand prix alonso was told wheather he or massa was faster on the previous lap(as he was stuck behind him) the same happend in germany,only difference being the tv only played 1 message,massa asked to be informed of the progress of alonso every lap,if you go onto the FIA website you can read the full documentation of all the conversations that took place between massa-pits & alonso-pits.............no mention at all of being told to move over
LOL, Massa's own Chief mechanic made it pretty obvious what had gone on, not just via the pit radio but tv interviews many races later. I see nothing wrong really with team orders, as said its a business and winning is money, but rules are rules. this season we play by a new set of rules......

The FIA has a habit of molding the rules to get the results they want. Just look at the Le Mans series when the TDi cars first came into it.

[mark1319]

Red bull for sure, but the big one has to be Brawn the season before.
Forgot all about Brawn:rolleyes:

[m8internet]

At the rate they are trying to slow the cars down, shortly the Fiat 500 will be faster!

[rushy]

At the rate they are trying to slow the cars down, shortly the Fiat 500 will be faster!
There not necessarily trying to slow them down, its not let them get any faster. If the cars start off 5 seconds slower at the start of the season it wont take them too long to regain that time in development, it just takes longer now with testing banned.

[m8internet]

F1 is supposed to be the ultimate in fast cars, so they should be getting faster...
However, a standard has to be set, but it is more commercially led now
A red car is quite easy to identify the associated sponsor and brand, however some of the others are not so obvious
Slow the cars down and the adverts become easier to see...

[kentish_bloke]

seems to me that the rules should be changed to make the cars do without the front wings. back in the days of ground effect, front wings weren't really needed, the reason is pretty obvious. but, since there is no ground effect allowed these days, surely removing the front wings would help reduce speeds into the corners & allow more overtaking.

im sure there will be people disagreeing with my suggestion, but if FIA want to reduce cornering speeds & make the racing closer, this seems 1 avenue to explore.

[silverhairedracer]

Red bull for sure, but the big one has to be Brawn the season before.


LOL, Massa's own Chief mechanic made it pretty obvious what had gone on, not just via the pit radio but tv interviews many races later. I see nothing wrong really with team orders, as said its a business and winning is money, but rules are rules. this season we play by a new set of rules......

The FIA has a habit of molding the rules to get the results they want. Just look at the Le Mans series when the TDi cars first came into it.

Rob Smedley Race Engineer,Chief mechanic someone altogether different

[silverhairedracer]

Let us not overlook that two well respected people in The F1 industry are drawing up the proposals for the FIA,with Patrick Head being involved it will be thought out.
As for the same engine/Aero package it is already done in lesser single seater racing,F1 a developing industry that is why the teams come out with the inovations they do keeping one step ahead of the other,thats why the newer teams are playing catch up,Brawn were lucky in thier Title year to have had Ross brawn on board the previous year so as to act a level headed guide,pity it did not work for thier second season.
we lesser mortals can all be armchair critics no matter how much we think we know about the sport, there is a lot we don't know.
Roll next season let us have another like 2010.

[rushy]

seems to me that the rules should be changed to make the cars do without the front wings. back in the days of ground effect, front wings weren't really needed, the reason is pretty obvious. but, since there is no ground effect allowed these days, surely removing the front wings would help reduce speeds into the corners & allow more overtaking.

im sure there will be people disagreeing with my suggestion, but if FIA want to reduce cornering speeds & make the racing closer, this seems 1 avenue to explore.

Thats pretty much what there doing mate, smallest wings and allowing the floor to be shaped for a ground affect, although the centre has to be lower than the skirts.


Rob Smedley Race Engineer,Chief mechanic someone altogether different
:p